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    File :1217665766.png-(19 KB, 642x506, plan9.png)
    19 KB Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:29 No.1958700  
    Ok /g/ I'm installing Plan 9 from Bell Labs now, I'm preparing myself to be awed by the brilliant filesystem namespace implementation!
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:30 No.1958704
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:31 No.1958712
    I give it five minutes before he rams the keys and quits... anyone wanna bet?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:31 No.1958716
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    what a coincidence
    i'm installing ubantu right now
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:33 No.1958723
    My base setup for the host machine Ubuntu 8.04 with qemu and kqemu running. I used some of the following information:

    qemu and kqemu setup guide:


    installing plan 9 in qemu:

    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:34 No.1958726
    Enjoy your shitty distro
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:34 No.1958727

    Nonsense. As a matter of fact, I've already been working with Plan 9 a bit in text-only mode in a virtualbox install. Plan9 cant seem to coordinate with the vbox graphics though and rio seems pretty important to the system.

    I know this is NOT a *nix, but I think I'll get things figured out. The man pages are impressive, and I know how to read.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:36 No.1958733

    Ubuntu Hardy Heron is the best distro out there I know of. Here's what I have installed currently to compare it with:

    Debian Etch, Debian Lenny, Centos 5, Fedora 9, Arch Linux, Gentoo Linux, FreeBSD 7, NetBSD 4, OpenSolaris

    I think Ubuntu 8.04 is better than any of those other *nix systems I just mentioned. Like I said, I use them all.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:38 No.1958738
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    Maybe I can get ZFS ported to Plan9, and then it will be truly ready to compete in the marketplace!
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:49 No.1958777
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    So here's plan 9 running after installation, and setting the vga size larger with:

    aux/vga -m vesa -l 1024x768x8
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:50 No.1958780
    fail os
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:52 No.1958785

    Praise the lord and savior Jesus Christ!
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)04:56 No.1958801
    Ok so who else wants to get plan 9 running? Its the easiest damn thing in the world in Ubuntu 8.04. I'm gonna look back at my terminal history and put together a full list of commands so you lazy folks can just CUT AND PASTE yourself a new plan 9 install more or less.

    You need the plan9 .iso of course. It's not big, just 250 mb or whatever. Available from the plan 9 from bell labs homepage. brb history
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:03 No.1958824
    i would install it, but i actually use hardware from this decade which is unsupported.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:12 No.1958856

    first get the .iso, noticed its a compressed iso, from:

    now in terminal you need to extract the iso:

    bunzip2 plan9.iso.bz2

    now you are ready to install qemu, kqemu accelerator:

    sudo aptitude install qemu kqemu-common kqemu-source module-assistant
    sudo module-assistant prepare
    sudo module-assistant install kqemu-source
    sudo modprobe kqemu
    sudo chmod 666 /dev/kqemu

    now you are ready to boot and install plan 9:

    qemu-img create -f qcow Plan9.qcow.img 2G
    qemu -hda Plan9.qcow.img -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d

    (Install step is here! Note that you can also use the cd as a LIVE cd without actually doing the install!)
    (the install is pretty easy, only tricky part is telling it where to find the archive from the cd, you basically have to give it the cd path it shows you, then exit from the shell it starts, its pretty simple, just read)

    now you can start your plan 9 install like this:
    qemu -hda Plan9.qcow.img

    plan9 page says before you quit qemu do:
    in the terminal -- oh yeah and glenda is the user they setup from the install

    someone want to test/check this? see if its a correct how-to? i think i got everything
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:15 No.1958863

    and that fshalt command is in the PLAN 9 terminal, NOT the host os terminal! fshalt is a plan9 command, you can attach the -r flag to it to reboot.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:16 No.1958866
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    If you want to actually USE Plan 9 as opposed to just "get it running" you need at least three machines.

    Even then it's not really that awe-inspiring imo.

    Pic unrelated but superior.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:23 No.1958880

    I mostly want to explore the ideas of the filesystem namespace, I'm working on a lightweight lamp CMS and I'm trying to give the user the power to structure their content in meaningful ways just by how they create the namespaces of their content chunks.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:31 No.1958895
    Wow, plan9 is actually pretty awesome, all things considered. It actually has a mouse-controlled interface that is quite powerful, although functionality is application specific. acme seems like a really awesome environment for a developer.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:33 No.1958902
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    Someone doing actual work? In my /g/?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:46 No.1958923
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    "PC Load Letter"? What the fuck does that mean?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:55 No.1958953

    whats /g/s fav office space quotes
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:57 No.1958964

    Hah, moar like screwing around with Plan 9 to AVOID having to do 'real work' is the real story.

    Plan9 is actually quite impressive and usable. For instance, heres a nice flow for leanring about the system. In Acme:

    left window panel, move cursor to a new line and write
    ls /sys/doc
    then use mouse button 3 (for me its hold in the wheel) to highlight and release it, and it executes it as a command, puts a list of the docs in the right panel.

    then, you can look through the list of docs and another mouse click of the correct button will automatically launch a correct viewer. Theres actually a quite useful postscript/pdf viewer application! So reading the docs is actually a pretty nice experience.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)05:58 No.1958966

    This whole conversation

    Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
    Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man.
    Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time?
    Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with money.
    Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks.
    Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do.
    Peter Gibbons: Good point.
    Lawrence: Well, what about you now? what would you do?
    Peter Gibbons: Besides two chicks at the same time?
    Lawrence: Well, yeah.
    Peter Gibbons: Nothing.
    Lawrence: Nothing, huh?
    Peter Gibbons: I would relax... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing.
    Lawrence: Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)06:22 No.1959047
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    plan 9 edition

    this is actually a pretty usable setup, although i made the pdf viewer window tiny for demonstration purposes. I setup this screen shot with some vga setup output in the rc window down below, and with the acme doc viewing method i described previously (look at the left and right panels of the upper mid-right large window, thats acme)
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)06:45 No.1959089
    Uhhh...ok, any plan 9 geniuses out there who know how to setup the networking for it? I'm inside a qemu virtual machine inside an ubuntu box running standard residential dsl w/ dhcp.

    I know with qemu I can kind of setup the network to 'look' like whatever plan 9 needs it to. Uh, heres what the plan 9 wiki has to say:

    IP configuration ndb/cs will set the sysname if you setup an appropriate entry in /lib/ndb/local. You must specify an ``ether='' entry, and the address should be all lower case. If all goes well, ip/ipconfig will then configure IP. Name Service If you have having problems, first check that ndb/dns is running. It needs to be started in /rc/bin/termrc or /rc/bin/cpurc. Also note that only fully qualified names are supported, and there isn't a separate resolver. Binding and Mounting Devices Note that ``#'' is the shell comment character, so you must enclose it in single quotes. For example: ``bind -a '#R6' /dev''. Auth Server When booting a cpuserver without an auth server, if you give as the auth server address instead the cpu server's own address, you won't have to wait for it to timeout.

    Since I don't have my CCNA and much less a Plan 9 cert, I'm pretty clueless on this. Plan9 seems to have a decent amount of traditional networking tools once you get a connection up...
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)09:32 No.1959533
    "install plan 9," they said.

    now what?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)14:19 No.1960685
    bump for Plan 9.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)15:47 No.1961134
    You just listed all the shitty ones.

    Try OpenSuSE 11, Pardus, Arch, Mint & Gentoo.

    That'll smash some sense into your shitty OS world.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)15:55 No.1961162
    >standard residential dsl
    >I don't have my CCNA
    Just save yourself the hassle and don't even bother.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:33 No.1961675
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    And what makes it REALLY awesome is that I even got to experience the power of Plan 9 while doing it, because the man ipconfig page had sample commands to get dhcp going, and I used the "send" feature of the rio terminal extensions to just directly send the sample commands.

    In rc in rio, you can just highlight any text, then click the correct mouse button and choose 'send' and it sends it to your text insertion point. nice feature.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:37 No.1961691

    If you read what I wrote, I already HAVE arch and gentoo installed. As a matter of fact, I have a desktop arch installation and a customized bootable Arch 4gb USB stick install, too. They are great distros, but they don't do anything that Ubuntu doesn't do. I do like arch for a nice lightweight setup though.

    Pardus and Mint are just rebranded Ubuntu, I don't see why I would want to fork myself off into a smaller user community.

    At some point, I will use OpenSuse, but I highly doubt it will change my opinion, I don't think Yast + rpms is going to make me happy.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:37 No.1961693

    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:40 No.1961702

    Pardus isn't based off of Ubuntu - it's got its own package manager and was originally built off of Gentoo but has been made from scratch etc.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:43 No.1961715
    install slackware
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:43 No.1961716
    Post some screenshots not from January and my incredulity will decrease.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:47 No.1961733
    ..but are you running plan 9 while in 9wm?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:49 No.1961740
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    Ok some qemu tips:

    once you have plan 9 actually installed, you probably want to be able to screw around without nuking your system, right? qemu has a nice feature that lets you use a vm without saving any changes to the hard drive. launch it like this:

    qemu -hda Plan9.qcow.img -snapshot

    this will use temporary files for any hard drive writes, so your basic install stays clean.

    There are also some GUI qemu controls. The one I installed and am using is called qemu-launcher and provides a simple gtk interface to save VM configurations.

    here's the config im using on my plan 9 machine, note i have 'snapshot' checked again to preserve my install. Once i figure out how, I will create a localized user startup script which changes the resolution and sets up networking.

    aux/vga -m vesa -l 1024x768x8

    in the rio rc terminal switches the screen size to something more reasonable. the networking commands for standard dhcp are in the screenshot of the networking pic above. man ipconfig is very helpful.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:50 No.1961744
    would be fucking cool if plan9 could get a nice little following, more interesting than linux
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:51 No.1961751

    i propose a /g/ project to make Plan 9 easy to use.

    perhaps find a way to port some sort of window manager.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:56 No.1961765
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    The fact that the plan 9 clock says january is meaningless, havent bothered to check how to fix it. Here's a screenshot I just took -- PLEASE READ THE TERMINAL LINES because I think they should settle whether or not this is for real.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)17:57 No.1961766

    think this could also be done on windows qemu?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:03 No.1961790
    man date

    Of course. But I'd rather use Virtual PC, it's supposedly much faster than Qemu.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:03 No.1961791
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    It has a window manager, its called rio, and its actually very deeply integrated into the system. Its not like X in unix-land where X is just another app.

    Also, I realized that I really shoulda put shit in context. Here's teh riced-out DASKTOP THRAD lookit me screenshot.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:08 No.1961806

    I think it needs useful applications first.
    >> Wyzat !vruDJdmbuk 08/02/08(Sat)18:08 No.1961807
    That's not the problem. The problem is available software. I can't use Plan 9 as my desktop until it gets at least a good web browser and a native PGP implementation (probably just a port of gpg). Others have other requirements.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:09 No.1961811
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    I bet it works just the same in windows, although of course the 'how-to' doesnt apply.


    Unfortunately man date tells me that the current timezone information is kept in /env/timezone and set by init at boot. I thought perhaps I could edit this file but cat /env/timezone is pretty scare. Pic related.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:09 No.1961812

    FF is OPEN SORES, shouldn't it be relatively easy to port it over?
    >> Wyzat !vruDJdmbuk 08/02/08(Sat)18:10 No.1961814
    Oh, and hardware support. Have you seen their support list? Sad...

    >> Wyzat !vruDJdmbuk 08/02/08(Sat)18:13 No.1961826
    For a given value of "easy". Porting Firefox would be reasonably simple once you port Gecko and Cairo, each of which have a huge amount of platform-specific rendering code (widgets in the former, general vector graphics in the latter).
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:15 No.1961835
    (using Philippe Anel's Radeon Drivers)


    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:16 No.1961839
    what is the point of another obscure OS such as Plan9? Is Linux not complicated enough?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:19 No.1961852

    Plan9 came first.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:19 No.1961853
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    Sure thing, lets just take a look at the Plan 9 Programmer's Manual that's included, I can view it in the pdf/ps viewer.

    Here's a random page, somewhere in the middle, as you can see from the cool little page selector popup window.

    In the upper window you can see a bit of acme, a great unified editor/file manager that I don't really know how to use at all. I do know how to use it as a documentation directory browser and viewer launcher though!
    >> Wyzat !vruDJdmbuk 08/02/08(Sat)18:20 No.1961862
    Plan 9 exists because Linux (well, Unix) is *too* complicated. The designers basically looked at Unix, stripped out everything they could, and simplified the rest.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:23 No.1961876
    I see
    well at least that gives it some purpose
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:31 No.1961924
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    So why is Plan 9 awesome? Let me give you an example from the networking implementatiion. Instead of mucking around with the normal set of FTP (file transfer protocol for the underage b&) commands, you use a command called ftpfs. What ftpfs does is connect you to an ftp server, and then mount the ftp directories in your filesystem, and then you can deal with the files on the ftp server using standard commands like cp.

    Here's a pic of me connecting to a fsf software mirror. Connection timed out pretty quick though, while I was making this post.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:40 No.1961951
    hah, currently using ftpfs as the closest thing I can get to a web browser in plan 9 by connecting to sites that do anonymous ftp and catting html and text files.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:47 No.1961978
    remember when a custom built gentoo was state of the art?
    ubunto is such a sad system.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:50 No.1961993
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    Wow! Random indexes of music reviews on public radio from fourteen years asgo! ALL AVAILABLE THROUGH ANONYMOUS FTP USING PLAN 9 FTPFS!

    And people say that Plan 9 needs software!
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)18:57 No.1962011

    Doesn't ANYBODY read shit?


    Gentoo is awesome, but know what? ITS THE SAME SOFTWARE. Where's the code in Gentoo that you can't use in any distro you want? It doesn't exist. Yup, its great to be able to custom compile for your architecture and leave out shit you dont need.

    Know what else? The maintainership is fairly mediocre. My last gentoo install ran into broken dependencies with the default desktop profile, I had to switch profiles to get stuff installed, then change back and recompile to get the features I needed for a desktop system. It wasn't awesome and custom, it was broken packaging and a hassle to work around.

    Ubuntu has become much more stable and intelligent in its autoconfiguration than it used to be, I just don't see that Gentoo has any real advantage other than being interesting, fun to work with, and educational.

    I can't believe I'm getting suckered into responding to gentoo trolls instead of fucking with Plan 9 more.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:09 No.1962061
    I'll install this crap with they fix the "Jan 2" problem that refuses to advance my system clock.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:12 No.1962069

    fave /g/ thread in a long time
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:19 No.1962077
    Hey thanks for this! About to install this in qemu in my FreeBSD partition
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:30 No.1962106
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    Thanks, I really owe /g/ for this because if it wasn't for people saying "install plan 9" in every thread I wouldn't even have heard of this shit, despite being a free software guy.

    I'm currently FTPed into a site which mirrors a ton of stuff, and I've been copying gutenberg .txt ebooks of random stuff and also random RFCs. pic related as always.

    Once you have an ftpfs filesystem mounted, you can just browse it and copy from it and even grep, the files are just the same as if they are on your machine.
    >> Counter-Counter-Counter-Troll !!+FMvyuL+h2+ 08/02/08(Sat)19:36 No.1962121
    Keep on going. This is interesting

    I might emulate this tonight mmh
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:36 No.1962122
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    So this system monitor application is pretty cool - you can choose what stuff you want included and scale it freely. Here's the menu for adding and removing components.

    Know whats really funny? The ethernet / network monitor graph. No matter how much data I pump in, it barely moves off the bottom. Know why?

    This is plan 9 from AT&T's Bell Labs! Their standard for network datathroughput is obviously INSANE relative to a home user on dsl. The amount of data im moving is TINY compared to what the pipes at the Bell Labs carried when they were developing and testing Plan 9!
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:40 No.1962135
    agreed and seconded
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:40 No.1962136
    You tried Web Browsing?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:45 No.1962147
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    Wow, thanks for the link -- I will try to get it running!

    Here's a good chunk of the output of lc /bin, so as you can tell a *nix user will not be completely lost in the rc shell.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)19:49 No.1962162

    Ok so i just grabbed the source code, I guess there is no precompiled binary for plan9 that I can retrieve via ftp? So Im gonna have to learn how to do make && make install in plan 9 eh...wonder what thats gonna be like.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:04 No.1962241
    Did it work?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:04 No.1962243
    Does it have a C compiler?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:09 No.1962276
    Maybe this can help?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:10 No.1962281
    Hmm so i managed to get abaco to compile from source, but when I try to start it, it says:

    cant initialize webfs: /mnt/web/ctl does not exist

    now im looking at man webfs, hmm...

    trying to start webfs says that is missing a cookie file...

    time to google...anyone got a 'howto' for this?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:15 No.1962309
    Guy posting random links posting more links
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:17 No.1962313
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    Maybe I'm making progress? Uh, working from what's installed already outwards, I think I do have webfs working now that I started it (had to touch a random file it said didnt exist. i probably needed to create it with webcookies maybe?) I succesfully managed to use a utility called hget to grab html from google...pic related.

    Is there an html display utility, so I could just pipe the hget output to it?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:19 No.1962324
    yeah look in

    cpu% webcookies
    cpu% webfs
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:20 No.1962328
    Isn't that what abacos for?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:34 No.1962418
    ok, i've ALMOST got abaco working, im just missing a stupid font that apparently is supposed to be included with it??

    the readme says to copy a font file that i dont seem to have, and when i try to start abaco it crashes with an error about not finding the font. MUST...GET...THIS...WORKING
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:45 No.1962477
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    Plan 9!
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:53 No.1962515
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:54 No.1962525
    You think you could rapidshit all the work you did?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:54 No.1962530
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    I don't even comprehend what the hell was up with what I just did. Believe it or not, I had to create a text file with echo commands called passwd.6.font with this content:

    11 9
    0x0000 0x0000 lsr.10

    and then put it in the specified fonts directory...????\

    but now it works...
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)20:59 No.1962541

    no way to prove it of course, but i got here inside abaco and hopefully the submit button will work...

    i think this will make my troll-fu unstoppable.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:02 No.1962560
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    Posted to /g/ from Plan 9. Ability acquired: troll proof.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:07 No.1962579

    Unfortunately I'm currently running in -snapshot mode lmao so everything I've done is going to vanish, I dont think the qemu keybindings to convert snapshot to permanent actually work...
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:08 No.1962580

    nice work anon, now "Install Plan9" finally has some weight behind it.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:10 No.1962584
    aw shit. try it anyways...
    >> lat3.R 08/02/08(Sat)21:10 No.1962586
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    im gonna get linux pretty soon (the new version)

    should be tight!!!
    >> Counter-Counter-Counter-Troll !!+FMvyuL+h2+ 08/02/08(Sat)21:23 No.1962621
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:26 No.1962629
    You sir - have won the internets.
    Not 1 free internets, not 10 free internets, you have WON the INTERNETS!
    (There are 5 of them by the way)

    ... oh my GAWD - MY HANDS ARE ON FIRE
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:28 No.1962635
    That's it, /g/'s over. There will be no more OS wars, as everyone will now use Plan9.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:28 No.1962639
    doesn't work in fucking virtualbox
    fuck you, Sun.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:30 No.1962641
    You're my hero.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:31 No.1962642
    I for one will use Plan10

    Just saying...

    So ummm... when do the like, plan9 ninjas come to my house and butt rape me and shit for trolling Plan9
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:34 No.1962651
    ok brief abaco plan 9 browser faq, posted from inside it, lesse here:

    you need to get the source code into your plan 9 vm. there are probably a couple ways to do it, i uploaded a copy of it to an anonymous ftp server and then got it using ftpfs. I think you could probably also get it in http form by doing hget URL.OF.CODE.TARBALL >myabacotarball.gz assuming you get web services up

    web services seem to be activated this way:

    before i launch abaco, i always have to do those two commands first.

    building abaco is easy. inside the source directory there are several files, README, guide, and NOTES which are relevant. i think you can just
    mk install

    the really messed up thing is the passwd.6.font file which seems to NOT be included for some reason. I found a copy of it in one of two different bell labs sources trees (?) and recreated it by doing a pair of echo commands. once this file was placed in the correct font folder, the program then launched. note that for whatever messed up plan 9 reason, you kind of need to do stuff in the same terminal. for whatever reason, webcookies + webfs seem to be 'sticky' inside the rc session you launch them from, or something. maybe this is a general plan 9 thing.
    >> Counter-Counter-Counter-Troll !!+FMvyuL+h2+ 08/02/08(Sat)21:34 No.1962652
    And I was just about to try that.

    qemu is throwing a shitfest since I don't have gcc-3
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:40 No.1962689
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    here's as far as it gets then just sits there
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:40 No.1962690
    Okay, who's got a webserver and wants to find out what PLAN 9 FROM BELL LABS looks like in your server logfiles? I dunno what the browser agent string is.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:41 No.1962698
    Plan 9 is by Thompson, Ritchie, Kernighan, Pike, etc. The original Unix guys. Their basic philosophy is "everything in Unix that we didn't make is crap!"

    Like how ls in BSD/GNU/SysV puts directory listings in neat little columns instead of one entry per row like in v7. HOW DARE THEY. And what's with all this curses crap, real men use typewriters!

    Also, the first public release was 1992 but it was expensive until 2000, by which point nobody cared. Rio is nice compared to X11 circa '92, when everybody had their own incompatible proprietary version and a lot of internals were exposed; now GNOME and KDE make the whole thing almost invisible (though they're still frighteningly complicated internally).

    It's a nice way to challenge your assumptions about OSes but I wouldn't want to live there.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:41 No.1962699
    Yeah sorry VirtualBox people, I attempted to install in VBox and I was actually able to do a text mode install, but NOTHING could get the graphics to work, so far as i could tell. As a matter of fact, it was someone on /g/ who tipped me off to qemu supporting it well. Thanks, Anon!
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:44 No.1962705

    So far, I really like the OS, to the extent that I understand it. Trying to extend the unix filesystem namespace principles is a sound idea. So far, my favorite thing is "plumbing" -- more advanced 'pipes' that are, in theory, able to intelligently connect all objects and processes on the system in whatever way works.

    The implementation of plumbing was obviously never finished, but I guess the Abaco browser uses it to construct its pages, and it seems to work decently. It's crashed once trying to click around fast in 4cha, but god knows what its making of all the javascript and shit like that so i dont blame it.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)21:59 No.1962753
    /g/, we must create a patch for the Plan 9 source to make it work in VirtualBox.

    Go. You know what you must do.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:01 No.1962760
    /g/'s mission is now to expand Plan 9 to become the best OS on the planet. Fuck Linux, fuck Windows, fuck OSX, fuck *BSD. Plan 9 is the future.

    This is our time. This is our future. PLAN 9 MOTHERFUCKERS.

    in b4 not personal army
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:02 No.1962764
    4chan needs a /plan9/ board
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:12 No.1962802
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    OK, here is pretty much the perfect PLAN 9 pic.

    By the way, the rio window manager is not exactly the most efficient thing in the world, at least not when the mouse button mappings are a bit screwed up by the emulation. setting up all these windows to overlap and show everything like this was a SERIOUS PAIN. You have full control over window size and placement, but as you may notice, convenient window widgets are lacking. I'm gonna take this pic and use GIMP to try to label the names of the stuff in it.
    >> Bill Gates http://maru-ch.ath.cx !!jvCuWJ8NrnK 08/02/08(Sat)22:19 No.1962845
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:21 No.1962858
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:33 No.1962932
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    Well, title says it all, more or less.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:36 No.1962956
    so what happened to the other 8 plans?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:37 No.1962962
    Post on 4chan from it
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:38 No.1962967
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    lol you really managed to install it...mine didn't even booted lol
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:47 No.1963012
    From http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html:

    >"In addition to these programs, the fourth edition introduced a new mechanism for distributing updates to the system. A public fossil file server, sources.cs.bell-labs.com, holds a current file tree which it serves to any Internet-connected Plan 9 system. Changes to this fourth edition tree are made frequently, usually every day. Clients run the replica(1) tools to keep their own systems in sync with sources. Nightly snapshots of sources, accessed via its dump file system, provide a convenient release history."
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)22:53 No.1963039
    Plan 9, Solaris, SkyOS or Haiku/BeOS

    All 3 are niche enough to be an 31337 h4xx0r.

    But which ones are /g/ worthy?
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:05 No.1963110

    yeah im browsing my /n/ directory now after doing
    9fs sources

    i was grabbing code from here anyway, the messed up passwd.6.font thing is still going on, where it seems like a needed and very peculiar file that actually seems like a strange kind of semi-copy protection or something is missing.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:06 No.1963120

    Solaris may not be that used, but its a pretty standard *nix.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:08 No.1963130
    > Solaris
    > niche
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:08 No.1963131
    I can't wait till they release Solaris 11. Opensolaris feels too much like linux to me. I might have to take up the *gulp* BSD mantle to get that good old Unix feel.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:11 No.1963147

    date 0802hhmm2008

    where hh and mm are whatever time it is where you are right now.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:11 No.1963150
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    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:22 No.1963221
    Plan 9 was designed to be worse than Unix, and it succeeded. It is currently the worst operating system available.

    So Plan 9 is definitely the most /g/ worthy.
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:31 No.1963254
    sage for epic thread
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:42 No.1963302
    Archive this shit.

    "The day someone actually installed Plan 9."
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:48 No.1963327
    Could we get a couple people to go to 4chanarchive.org and request an archive on 1958700 please. thanks
    >> Anonymous 08/02/08(Sat)23:54 No.1963367
    Currently installing plan9 on another box. My own walkthrough failed for kqemu installation, but qemu can run fine without kqemu, just a bit slower.

    Why am I installing on another box? Well, the answer is pretty simple...I want to preserve all the work Ive done in the other box, but its in snapshot mode...and Im scared to power it off and fuck up reconstructing it. So I'm gonna try to get the other installation, running in normal save-to-the-hard-drive mode, configured to the same level the other is.

    It's good to know that being able to use plan 9 guarantees you a high income job in a parallel universe where it actualy got supported, deployed, and marketed by AT&T.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)00:05 No.1963420
    I think /g/ needs to pick up Plan 9 where AT&T left off. Fix problems, write drivers, port software, etc.

    I mean, at least until we get bored. Which should be roughly 10 minutes from now.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)00:11 No.1963450

    Actually, Plan 9 is supposed to be a fully networked OS, with distributed resources, if we had a few people get it installed and actually learn whats up with it, we could create a transworld /g/ netcluster.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)00:17 No.1963485

    Vita Nuova's doing part of this with Inferno.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)00:18 No.1963494
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    2nd Plan 9 install completed and booting, not configured yet.

    This one the qemu has no kqemu but stuff is still running fine.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)00:39 No.1963581
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    OK! Got everything rolling smoothly, I'm about to put together the BEGINNER'S GUIDE TO CONFIGURING A NEW PLAN 9 install. This will just be a series of rc shell commands to adjust graphics, networking, and install the abaco web browser.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)00:44 No.1963607
    Sweet, thanks. I'm going to install Plan 9 once I finish resizing some partitions.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)00:47 No.1963618

    This is going to be better:


    /g/ can't program for shit.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)00:57 No.1963656
    >/g/ can't program for shit.
    worse is better.

    drivers written in cobol, here we come.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)01:03 No.1963685
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    And now, the semi-official PLAN /g/ quick setup guide for qemu virtual instances (most of it should carry over anywhere) - sets up larger screen res, standard dhcp networking, and builds and installs a web browser, abaco

    aux/vga -m vesa -l 1024x768x8
    bind -b '#l0' /net
    bind -a '#I0' /net
    ndb/dns -r
    9fs sources
    cd /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/src/abaco
    mkdir /usr/glenda/tmp/abaco
    cp * /usr/glenda/tmp/abaco
    cd /usr/glenda/tmp/abaco
    cp passwd.6.font /lib/font/bit/lucidasans/
    mk install

    *note that the net commands are tricky - the first one I believe is number-ell-zero, whereas the second is number-eye-zero

    Good luck! no results guaranteed! tell me how it works!
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)01:06 No.1963698
    Thanks bro
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)01:11 No.1963727
    somebody archive this shit
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)01:14 No.1963739
    Best /g/ thread in weeks.
    Age for win.
    >> learn2installlinuxcompat Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)01:14 No.1963741
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)01:25 No.1963789
    ok a couple protips for making the whole install work:

    if you do man ipconfiI'm wg, the commands for standard dhcp are near the bottom of the printout. You can use the SEND feature of the rio/rc shell to make issuing these commands correctly foolproof. Buttons given based on my mouse. If you select text with left mousebutton, then push in on the scroll wheel and choose 'send', the highlighted text is sent to your command cursor in the shell as a command. this way, you know you are getting the commands exactly as they are given in the man page, whichis what has worked for me on both systems.

    If you are following my earlier 'install on ubuntu guide' and kqemu fails to build, don't worry. Everything runs fine on qemu without the kqemu module loaded.

    Spend some time learning the mouse controls for rio, and note that button actions are different between different windows. The rc shell uses the mouse buttons differently than acme does, etc, and what the buttons do depends on what your active window is.
    once you have networking and added the /n/sources directory, ibelieve there is quite a bit of additional software that can be installed similarly to abaco.

    whenever you start a new rc shell, you will need to reissue the commands:

    before starting abaco browser. to start abaco at a given url, do

    abaco http://www.4chan.org/

    you need the full url.

    I'm working on figuring out startup scripts, but for the moment, even if you save (you need to do fshalt before you stop the virtual machine!) you will have to reissue all the commands apart from the building and installing of abaco.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)01:28 No.1963800

    ARGGGHHH what a horrible typo. Sorry, that was posted from inside plan 9 and I clearly had a bit of trouble with the cursor positioning in the text box. obviously

    man ipconfig

    is the correct command to use to get access to the perfectly working example of dhcp internet config.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)01:39 No.1963840
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    Even without kqemu, the 1280x1024x8 vesa mode is running ok on this crappy P4 box with less than a gig of ram. this screenshot also shows a sequence of 'startup commands' on my install with abaco alread setup.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)02:35 No.1964099
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    OK yet more how-to

    1st, remember to fshalt before shutting down the system

    2nd, here's how you make your network autoconfigure on boot, and probably do anything else you want to.

    the file /usr/glenda/lib/profile defines what happens at login

    you can edit the file most easily with the acme editor. the attached screenshot shows the edits to add the networking startup commands to the script. i put them in case 'terminal' just before the graphical window manager gets started. again, these are just the commands from man ipconfig for dhcp, now placed in the glenda user login profile

    once you have edited the file 'put' saves it
    be careful and check your work (notice a cat of the file in the terminal in the screenshot) because you dont want to messup your login, although im sure its fixable.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)03:06 No.1964213
    Another random PROTIP for qemu installers. When it asks you to choose your graphics, the default is [xga] which is wrong. Type vesa here.

    Hopefully this wasn't tripping anyone up.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)03:08 No.1964225

    any way to find out if there's a plan 9 irc client?
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)03:11 No.1964243
    cesspool of shit.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)03:22 No.1964296
    Apparently there are plan 9 IRC clients, apparently more than one. I could probably find one in the /n/source directories but I think'm finally hitting the wall on 24 hours of straight plan 9 total immersion.

    I just wanted to see what the damn thing looked like, its so notorious around here...and it actually turns out to be interesting and far more usable than I had anticipated. From nothing to customized startup profile scripts and basically full services in about 24 hrs.

    Posted from PLAN 9 of course.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)03:52 No.1964405
    thanks for this thread

    you installed plan9 so we don't have to!
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)04:04 No.1964441
    I really think Plan /9/ has potential. A totally generic Ubuntu 8.04 can be up and running the OS in about an hour, and I'm sure its the same on Windows. From what I'm learning of the design of the OS, its actually pretty easy to create software for it - the plumbing architecture is pretty impressive, its almost like you can make "OS plugins" using it I think. Just create a filesystem namespace and come up with a few decent plumbing methods and you can create tools that integrate with whole system.

    you know how awesome bash is because all of the commands can operate on each others outputs and you can do so much with clever one-liners? Plan 9 gives you the power to do the same thing but with full integration into the gui/windowing system that unix just doeswnt have.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)04:37 No.1964597
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    (pic related)

    /bin/aux/timesync -n north-america.pool.ntp.org

    fixes your desktop clock!
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)05:34 No.1964784
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    bamping epic thread
    i hope this will be archived
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)05:50 No.1964825
    Wow! Been exploring the /n/sources/contrib stuff and found that plan9 is actually a lot further along than I thought! The links browser with graphics libraries has been ported, and it performs quite a bit faster than abaco, even though I'm sure its less 'plan 9' in its implementation. I also got an SSH2 client working, and I downloaded a couple different IRC clients to try out.

    Usability? In MY plan 9?

    It's more likely than you think.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)05:51 No.1964827

    how the fuck did you get any of the irc clients to work

    please tell me.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)06:18 No.1964885

    Ok here's what I did:

    I downloaded this tarball to my /usr/glenda/tmp


    then i untarred it, did mk install in the directory, and then did

    ircsrv MYNICK irc.freenode.net

    which connected me, then i started my irc session just with irc

    i followed the directions at


    but adapted slightly since im not using a remotely bound cpu.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)06:19 No.1964887
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    Here's screenshot with IRC and links going.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)06:24 No.1964904
    Ive always been interested in it.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)06:34 No.1964940
    >>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
    >>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

    beware of hype
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)06:42 No.1964969
    type 'vesa' for graphics when installer suggests [xga]

    setup and initial install of qemu and plan 9:
    screenshot with labeled software components:
    general post-install configuration incl. abaco browser
    additional explanation and notes:
    edit login profile to start networking automatically at boot:
    setup a simple irc client system:

    In general there's a fair amount of stuff in the terminals in the screenshots showing how to do things also, and there are several more random bits of info scattered throughout this thread.

    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)07:29 No.1965099
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    plan 9 in virtualbox

    now wut?
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)07:44 No.1965141
    Nice, I guess the virtualbox install can work in windows just not in linux, or something...but anyway, now you need to get your networking going, and then add some software from the contrib section. the key is, after net is up:
    9fs sources
    then you can browse the /n/sources/contrib section and download stuff. the port of links is very good.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)07:54 No.1965163
    why the fuck does ping not exist?
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:03 No.1965181
    actually ping does exist, its at ip/ping, or /bin/ip/ping to be precise. plan 9 default path setup interacts a bit strangely with the nested command directories. ping may not work right inside a virtual machine though, icmp rarely does.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:07 No.1965191
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    Plan 9?
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:18 No.1965211
    After a bit more study, it seems that there may be a simper way to setup networking: just uncomment a few lines in /rc/bin/termrc and it looks like there is a nice auto dhcp config script already written, probably better than the one I've provided.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:23 No.1965222
    nah this shit's worthless
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:31 No.1965259

    It's a nice hobby os - nicer than linux, because it doesn't suffer from that "we have had this thing since the 70's so we must keep it" disease.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:36 No.1965276
    >nicer than linux
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:37 No.1965281
    Plan 9 wasn't designed to be a standalone desktop, it was an attempt to create an OS that could be almost completely abstracted away from the physical components and that extends the unix namespace principles to make the filesystem an active component of the OS, rather than just a passive data storage container.

    It may be fairly primitive from the standpoint of end user applications (although most of the major tasks get covered in some fashion) but it also does some things that still seem ahead of their time - once you start to understand the plumbing system and the integration of rio, acme, and rc, the positive qualities of the OS start to jump out at you.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:39 No.1965288
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    - plan 9 does not run in VMware. It stalls at the init thing.

    - QEMU is a bitch to run on Windows. Use the old 0.9.0 version, not the 0.9.1 one.

    - Haven't tried VirtualBox.

    I'll post a quick INSTALLAN PLAN 9 ON UR WINDOZE BOX post after this shit gets finished.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:43 No.1965308
    Also, if you like lightweight, plan 9 is very impressive. Rio is a lot lighter than X and the highly modular system architecture lets a small amount of code do a lot by being used in so many different ways. I have links browser with support for all image types, irc client, acme editor, several shells, load monitor and clock, and I'm using about 64 mb total by the looks of my memory monitor applet. This seems about right based on my memory usage as shown on the host machine, also.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)08:49 No.1965324
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    Plan 9 even has pac-man.
    *** SPOILER ***
    It's non-interactive so far as I can tell but randomly generates the mazes and runs monster AI
    *** SPOILER ***
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)10:09 No.1965509
    OK, so I've learned a lot already compared to the shit I was saying earlier, I made several things harder than they need to be through ignorance.

    The most important thing to do once you have networking going (which is probably easiest to setup by uncommenting stuff in /rc/bin/termrc using the acme editor is to do
    9fs sources
    and then start installing software from /n/sources/contrib

    there's even some quasi/package manager like fucntionality available for some pacakages, if you do
    /n/sources/contrib/fgb/root/rc/bin/contrib/install fgb/contrib

    and after that you can fetch some stuff like this:

    contrib/install fgb/links

    as always, watch out for executables being placed off-path. I used contrib/install to setup openssl+openssh and then went crazy because my ssh was still ancient. It turns out the executable was at /386/bin/openssh/ssh and the PATHed ssh was the old one.
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)10:19 No.1965537
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    Now here's a fully interactive arcade classic! Fun for the whole family!
    >> Anonymous 08/03/08(Sun)11:00 No.1965623
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    With a great version of Minesweeper and an interface that looks just as spiffy, I think Windows 3.1 might finally have some competition!

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