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    154 KB Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:35 No.1985260  

    Plan /9/grid resources dump. Thread archives:









    #plan9chan on irc.freenode.net

    WIKI (just started and currently temporary)

    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:37 No.1985273
    There's something about that bunny's face that makes me lol every tme I see it.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:40 No.1985295
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    For you faggots who love that rainmeter shit, Plan 9 is the perfect OS.

    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:41 No.1985297
    I have truly become convinced that P9FBL is actually a long-term secret illuminati plot which will eventually bring about some kind of technopagan transhuman mutation.

    and its gonna be OUR fault.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:42 No.1985301
    i assume this is the new thread because the last one is autosaging?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:42 No.1985302
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:44 No.1985312
    I've been singing the praises of plan9 for years upon years.
    These recurring plan9 threads fill me with joy.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:45 No.1985315
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    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:45 No.1985318
    >>1985295 here
    Using Plan 9 has made me reconsider my position on 9wm.
    It's not as bad as I thought.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:46 No.1985320
    i cant ping my gateway at work from within p9 :( so no intarnerts in plan9 for me till i get home
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:49 No.1985327

    ping is a bad test with VM networking. not sure what you have going on, but the kind of packets ping uses are the least likely to survive the NAT. i have networking on p9 with no ping. how did you try to enable?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:51 No.1985330
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    not NEARLY enough active.

    pic related.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:51 No.1985332
    Oh my god I hope to hell this is true.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:53 No.1985338
    gateway is just a hub, so no nat. and no firewall on host machine.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:55 No.1985342
    I'm still having keyboard issues forwarding the X session for QEMU on my Linux box to my Macbook Pro (all the keys get shifted all over the fucking place), so this is going to have to wait until tomorrow.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:56 No.1985343
    Does anyone have a working full plan9 install that needs help with networking and wants to download software like a web browser? the bell labs repository is currently down for a day or two of maintenance (probably due to us creating much higher load than usual) -- but I have some stuff that you can install from inside your plan 9 machine on my sphericalharmony.com server. code to use to download and install to your plan 9 install (needs to be installed, not just running off live cd) upon request.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:57 No.1985347

    I don't think any of that matters, I think the way qemu does networking results in no ping packets making it through even if other network connections are fine. how did you try to activate networking inside plan 9 and did you test with somethig like hget?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:57 No.1985349
    why the hell would a virtual machine have trouble sending and recieving icmp packets?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:59 No.1985358
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    Hey gaiz, I hates to be shittin' on yo threadz... BUT


    Pic related: Control type.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)03:59 No.1985359
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    >You will set the register! To the correct value!
    lol fortunes
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:02 No.1985366
    someone slap up a mirror... fucken' 10kb/s from bells site
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:02 No.1985368
    Oh fuck, you have pacman in there.
    brb gonna try it myself
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:02 No.1985369

    I would agree that the Plan9 kernel itself is not very advanced compared to the linux kernel, and that plan 9 from userspace is a very valid approach.

    Could you provide a step-by-step tutorial for creating a plan9 equivalent environment in windows, linux, and os x using your methods? it would be great to ahve as many ways for people to connect this as possible
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:03 No.1985373
    ip/ipconfig -g ether /net/ether0

    i know its setting up the network cause i can then ping myself. and i know its not a security policy because, well, we have no security policy lol and thats the ip i use for my personal laptop.

    so since i have to do it manually, (no dhcp) how can i set the dns servers?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:03 No.1985374

    thats not the right way to fortune spam. open acme. on a new line, type /bin - then right-click on it
    find fortune in the list of commands
    middle click on fortune
    and again.
    and again
    and again
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:04 No.1985376
    explain how Plan9 from User Space is "so slick."
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:04 No.1985378
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    I'm glad to be finally understanding how some of this works.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:04 No.1985379

    check man ipconfig -- it should show you how, its easy i think.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:05 No.1985382
    how's virtualizing on that 1.5GHz Pentium-M laptop of yours?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:07 No.1985383
    Goddamn acme is fucking awesome.
    Someone needs to port this shit to Linux
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:07 No.1985388
    It's fine mostly.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:09 No.1985399
    ok plan 9 users some crucial stuff:

    you need to do fshalt before you shut down your VM

    you start out in a single unified namespace in your rio session. stuff that you do inside any given terminal may modify the namespace, but ONLY for that terminal and any subprocesses it launches! consequenly, if you have two terminals side by side, they may not actually share the same filesystem structure even though they are running on the same box

    fucked? you say...but actually this is what lets plan 9 be amazing...because once the /9/grid is up you can have 3 different rio sessions going on at once on your screen, all connected to different segments of the grid and all using different namespaces...
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:10 No.1985405
    hey /g/uise Im having problems exiting qemu when my mouse and keyboard are captured in the Plan9 window...
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:11 No.1985408
    I completely disagree.
    "ESC :wq RETURN" is like 52 times faster than "Highlight the word 'Put', then middle click, then highlight the word 'Exit', then middle click again."
    Acme is a terrible editor.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:11 No.1985412
    press left alt + left ctrl

    It will release your mouse
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:11 No.1985413
    hget: too many errors with no progress no route
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:12 No.1985418


    explains the basics of rio window manager and acme and a few other things.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:12 No.1985419
    thank you
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:12 No.1985421

    PROTIP: you dont have to highlight, just middle-click on 'put' and it executes. same with exit.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:13 No.1985426
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    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:14 No.1985429
    It's still slower than the vim equivalent.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:19 No.1985443

    yeah but is vim also a multi window file manager, program launcher, and everything else that is integrated into acme?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:19 No.1985447
    emacs is
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:19 No.1985450
    Uh... Yeah... It is...
    At least it is if you compile it with all the optional shit enabled...
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:20 No.1985453
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    well, liking vim isn't a bad thing in the plan 9 world. just install it. pic related.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:21 No.1985460
    People who can't appreciate Plan 9 shouldn't be allowed in /g/.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:22 No.1985462
    It's been out for a long assed time. Really, it was ahead of its time and lots of its ideas are making their way into what we use now.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:22 No.1985463

    if you were actually paying attention and not trolling, the whole point of us installing plan 9 is to setup tons of cool networking/distributed computing shit, which is what the OS is designed for. everyone knows that plan 9 isn't supposed to replace your other desktop os.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:27 No.1985483
    Where can I get it?
    I'm not able to connect to /n/sources right now.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:29 No.1985492
    just fucking google it
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:32 No.1985509
    I did, but apparantly my Google-fu level isn't high enough. Guess I gotta crawl back into the dungeons and kill more rats.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:34 No.1985513
    Is it possible to enable prompt history and tab completion in rc?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:35 No.1985519
    how does one enable internet access in this bad boy?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:37 No.1985522

    couple ways. easiest long-term solution for standard user is just to enable it by editing /rc/bin/termrc and uncommenting two lines. there are several tutorials on how to do this in the thread archives on sphericalharmony
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:42 No.1985551
    So, is my inability to get 9fs source working the result of something down at Bell Labs (since the ping and lookup tools appear to be handling DNS just peachy)?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:42 No.1985552
    why is there only cut and paste. where the fuck is copy?

    why does rc not let me hit up to run previous commands?(actually i know why, but its retarded simple functionality that should already be there)

    why, when i CUT and paste a previous command, then go back and edit the command, i then have to move the cursor to the end of the line before i hit enter? or else nothing after the cursor will be processed and instead dropped to the next prompt?(once again, i know why, but its fucking stupid that it does it)
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:43 No.1985554
    Yup. I think all this traffic was too much for their servers.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:44 No.1985562
    what vm software should I use?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:46 No.1985576
    To do a former command again, just hit the middle mouse button, highlight the command and BAM. It's ran.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:46 No.1985578
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:46 No.1985580
    "copy" == "snarf"
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:47 No.1985587
    Well then how the fuck do I install one of those browsers?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:47 No.1985588

    copy is called 'snarf'

    you just need to learn to use the interface, stuff is very different, and yes, its not all perfect and brilliant.


    correct the bell labs sources repos are down for a day or two, i think they are doing maintenance because all of our use filled up the space on their hard drives.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:48 No.1985590
    first cd /usr/glenda/tmp

    then follow these steps

    22:00 <@mycroftiv> hget http://www.sphericalharmony.com/plan9/abaco.tar.gz >abaco.tar.gz
    22:00 <@mycroftiv> tar xzf abaco.tar.gz
    22:00 <@mycroftiv> cd abaco
    22:00 <@mycroftiv> mk
    22:01 <@mycroftiv> cp passwd.6.font /lib/font/bit/lucidasans/
    22:01 <@mycroftiv> mk install
    22:01 <@mycroftiv> then to actually run it, you need to do:
    22:01 <@mycroftiv> webcookies
    22:01 <@mycroftiv> webfs
    22:01 <@mycroftiv> abaco

    9fs should be back up by thursday as well.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:52 No.1985607

    qemu, qemu-user, or qemu-softmmu (for gentoo)?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:53 No.1985612
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    gawdamn. Thanks.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:54 No.1985617
    How does one make changes to screen color depth permanent?
    I installed it at 1024x768x8, but I want it at 1024x768x24 every time I start up because 8-bit indexed color makes 4chan ugly.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:56 No.1985622
    For Gentoo, follow the guide on the Gentoo Wiki.
    You want both QEMU and KQEMU.
    It's a bit of a pain in the ass to build QEMU because it expects an older version of GCC.
    Also, if you're on x86_64 (like me), you'll probably need to run it with "qemu-system-x86_64" instead of just "qemu"
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:58 No.1985626

    you should be able to do it by adding that to glenda's /usr/lib/profile in the right place, I think. not totally sure of the best way to do it.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)04:59 No.1985628

    a faster browser is the links port with full image type support. i have that on my mini-mirror too. install like:

    cd /usr/glenda/tmp
    hget http://www.sphericalharmony.com/plan9/links.tgz
    tar xzf links.tgz
    cd links-varfont
    mk install

    then just


    to start, and pressing 'escape' after a few secs to bring up the menu
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:07 No.1985647
    Another question:
    Does Plan9 have something similar to a "which" command?
    I tried running "man which" (lol Manwich) but that gave me nothing.
    I need to find a script that's called from another script. All I know is that I can call this script from the terminal, but I cannot locate it for editing.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:09 No.1985655
    ah, links. Thanks mate.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:10 No.1985658

    i know there are various tools for finding files in plan9, the issue is complicated because of the fact that filesystem structure in plan9 is 'fluid' and not static, so the path to a particular file can vary wildly even for different applications running on the same system!
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:12 No.1985664
    Would plan9 be able to work on my pentium-mmx? Are there certain instruction sets required for it?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:12 No.1985667

    So what are you trying to do in the first place? whats the name of what you are trying to find?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:13 No.1985671
    It runs on some pretty shitty hardware.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:15 No.1985679
    Interesting. Then the question would be how I would install it without the use of a virtual operating system present. I'm guessing there is no way?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:16 No.1985682
    I found it. It was in /bin/.
    I feel like an idiot for not checking there first.
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    Verrah nahhs.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:19 No.1985690
    Boot the CD.
    Choose install.
    Follow the instructions.

    It's easier than installing Windows.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:25 No.1985702
    I have a few other small applications downloadable and buildable from sphericalharmony's plan9 stuff

    there is paint.tgz and pacman.tgz in addition to the browsers

    cd /usr/glenda/tmp
    hget http://www.sphericalharmony.com/plan9/FOO.tgz >FOO.tgz
    tar xzf FOO.tgz
    cd FOO
    mk install
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:31 No.1985719
    notes: how to kill stuff you dont want running

    to kill something in plan 9, you do kill NAME |rc
    so if you want to kill the statistics:

    kill stats |rc

    kill the clock + glenda:

    kill faces |rc

    ps -a will list processes

    if something gets stuck, find its name with ps -a and do

    kill FOO |rc

    if it doesnt die then, you can:

    slay FOO |rc

    pretty cool, huh?
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    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:37 No.1985741
    What's the status on ssh access into plan9?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:38 No.1985742
    I may bring my pentium mmx back into action then. Original it was intended only to work as a webserver, but now this sounds fucking badass, provided ssh works.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:39 No.1985743
    All the talk about plan9 is making me want to try it on my Debian. Shame it dosen't have modern drivers otherwise native plan9 would rock.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)05:41 No.1985749

    totally standard and normal, assuming you install the current port of openssh and know the right command to issue inside plan9 to start services and make them available.

    in other words, we dont know exactly the right way to do stuff -- at least i dont -- but its all 'there' in the sense of we just need to learn.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)07:56 No.1986134
    i dont believe anyone has gotten networks to work i think its all just shoops cuz i've followed every bit of info and nothing works. dhcp and manual.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:04 No.1986152
    Have you considered the possibility you're a fucktard. Just asking.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:07 No.1986161
    check out man ipconfig
    There will be 5 commands to get DCHP up and running, try those.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:08 No.1986164

    do you have standard residential internet service, dhcp from your router, etc?

    what is your host os?

    what exact steps have you followed?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:18 No.1986194
    Does anyone know how you can change the keyboard layout?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:23 No.1986213
    By cat-ing the relevant keyboard-map (found in /sys/lib/kbmap) into /dev/kbmap. Like, cat /sys/lib/kbmap/azerty > /dev/kbmap.
    You can put this line at the end of your termrc so it will be executed at boot time.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:27 No.1986234
    Plan9 was not designed to be accessed with SSH. It's merely an UNIX legacy. You should use drawterm which uses the authentification and namespace facilites of Plan9 to connect to a Plan9 system from Linux, MacOS or Windows.
    But don't ask me how to set the whole shit up, i'm still trying to figure that out.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:29 No.1986241

    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:34 No.1986264
    ok i took the time away from my gaemen to boot into arch

    and apparently, the qemu for windows' network "card" is broken.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:35 No.1986269
    yeah this shit really makes me appreciate the gnu manpages even more
    >> Wyzat !vruDJdmbuk 08/06/08(Wed)08:36 No.1986273
    FYI, this is how Unix newbies feel. P9 is just another way of thinking.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:37 No.1986275
    but what about aes+blowfish+whirlpool cryptography and my 127 character unique pasword?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:39 No.1986282
    >> cr9 !!8jMEdAlRRTX 08/06/08(Wed)08:44 No.1986290
    You know there's nothing quite like booting an entirely new OS and being mad at Tidus on it.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:50 No.1986301
    acme /n/9fat/plan9.ini

    Then change the vgasize line. If you have a mouse with scrollwheel you can also change the mouseport line to mouseport=ps2intellimouse to enable the scrollwheel.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:51 No.1986302

    Do you use Plan 9? Can you help us?

    Please, this OS is so cool and we know it can do all this cool network stuff but we dont even know to setup simple directory filesharing with 9fs

    exportfs -someoptions /path/to/directory
    aux/listen1 -options tcp###

    import -someoptions /path/to/the/export

    is that about how it goes? how do you set the options?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:56 No.1986321

    Whoever you are, I think you know more about Plan 9 than anyone else I've seen posting here. I've spent the past week hardly sleeping while I try to get stuff figured out, some simple how-tos for setting up basic networking and stuff would be so insanely useful I can't even describe it.

    We have tons of people downloading and installing and we are all just stumbling around blindly, amazed but confused.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)08:57 No.1986324

    And by 'networking' i mean using 9fs to connect machines to at least share files, im not expecting we can get a full grid setup with all services instantly, lots to learn, but dammit we are gonna get this figured out.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)09:03 No.1986340
    I love you.
    I've been looking for this information for a couple days now.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)09:16 No.1986379
    I think all the people who really know how to use Plan 9 have all been clued into this and are watching all of our threads laughing at us floundering around trying to learn our plan 9 A-B-Cs.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)09:21 No.1986393
    you mean A-C-M-Es

    taddam tsssh
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    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)09:26 No.1986400
    there is nothing special about Plan9.
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)09:26 No.1986401
    Who are you and why aren't you on the IRC channel right now?
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)09:26 No.1986404
    cool story, bro
    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)09:28 No.1986407



    (drowns in manpages)
    >> Cr9 !!8jMEdAlRRTX 08/06/08(Wed)09:30 No.1986416


    #plan9chan on irc.freenode.net

    >> Anonymous 08/06/08(Wed)09:30 No.1986418
    Does anyone think it might be able to work with grub? And would it be worthwhile to get it running straight off some hardware?
    >> Cr9 !!8jMEdAlRRTX 08/06/08(Wed)09:32 No.1986425
    Works with grub I think, I know it can work with the XP bootloader.

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